Debaters Identity. Bible's take on Debaters

Islamic Debaters, their Identity: 
What does the Bible say? 


This is some of the major Islamic debaters who at anytime can capture the attention and shred through the scriptures to disprove things Christians put forth. Bible on the other hand clearly warns us on the False prophets and religions in the times to come. The scripture reveals to every Christian. 


No Christian is aware of the Historical, Archaeological, Scriptural, facts of the Bible. There have been excavations based on the Bible, researches, scientific facts all pointing towards the truth. However one can argue or counter these heresies, only with a full knowledge of the Bible and / or with the power of the Holy Spirit. 

Quran states that the God of Muhammad is the greatest deceiver.

Qur'an 8:30
Arabic: واذ يمكر بك الذين كفروا ليثبتوك او يقتلوك او يخرجوك ويمكرون ويمكر الله والله خير الماكرينLiteral: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and God deceives/schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.

Agreeing to the Quran; Bible says in Revelation 20:10
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The above should settle every debate; the debaters are deceived themselves and are set to deceive many from the world. Now, why would any Christian want to believe a self proclaimed deceiver? If you do not have the complete knowledge of scriptures you will not sustain but become deceived yourself and the Revelations 20:10 will apply to you.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS?

Matthew 7:15-20
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
2 Corinthians 11:4
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Galatians 1:6-9
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
2 Peter 3
1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
1 John 4
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
Jude 1
16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Romans 10:2-4
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

THE DEBATERS

The fundamental question is very simple; who is anybody to discount the Bible, the Bible does not need any references to anything outside, they are not copied and do not absolutely need any other scripture support. The Bible written by 42 Prophets and Apostles over a period of thousands of years with multi-referenced archaeological evidences maintained in Museums, carbon dated from Jordan, Yemen, Israel and many more. All further validated by the Dead sea scrolls, varied codex, etc., All Historical, Archaeological, Scriptural evidences abound, this is the original book of God.

Hear ye' slayers of the scriptures, sprouting venom, taking out segments of the scriptures and debating, wont the pages of the Qur'an reveal that these step up and challenge the God of creation; Muhammad himself in the Qur'an has directed his followers thus...

2:136 Say ye: "We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma'il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

2: 285 The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah His angels His books and His Apostles "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His Apostles." And they say: "We hear and we obey; (We seek) Thy forgiveness Our Lord and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

3: 3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step) in truth the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down Law (Of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to mankind and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

*** In this verse the Qur'an makes no distinction between Allah's revelations; that is they are ALL true and uncorrupted *** Although this I reference only to highlight what Quran sayeth.

3: 93 All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Law (of Moses) was revealed. Say: "Bring ye the Law and study it if ye be men of truth."

*** In the particular case above, the Qur'an implies that the Children of Israel 'corrupted' some of Allah's commands BEFORE the revelations to Moses and NOT AFTER *** Since the followers of Muhammad are certain that the People of the Book had deliberately corrupted their Books, then the onus is on them to show the original uncorrupted ones upon which they base their purile and unsubstantiated allegations ***

6: 91 No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: "Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)": Say: "Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought? a light and guidance to man: but ye make it into (separate) sheets for show while ye conceal much (of its contents): therein were ye taught that which ye knew not neither ye nor your fathers." Say: "Allah (sent it down)": then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling.

6:92 And this is a Book which We have revealed bringing blessings and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book) and they are constant in guarding their prayers.

*** It would defy logic and intellect to believe that the Qur'an would use 'corrupted' Books as confirmation of its own authenticity.***

No where does the Qur'an EVER imply that the TEXTS of the Scriptures of the People pf the Book had been tampered with or CORRUPTED.

Since this is the case, then any alleged corruptions would have happened AFTER the Quranic 'revelations'. If so, then the Muhammadan accusers have an unenviable intellectual, theological and historical MAGICAL ACT to perform in proving that the Bible was corrupted.

BIBLICAL CORRUPTION ALLEGATIONS

It was Ibn Khazem (1064) who was the first Muhammadan to charge that the Bible has been corrupted and falsified by the followers of Moses and Jesus.

This charge was made in a last ditch and desperate effort to defend 'Islam' against Christianity because he came upon the many serious and unexplainable contradictions and differences between the Qur'an and the Bible.

Believing by faith that the Qur'an is true and incorruptible, Ibn Khazem had no choice but to come to the conclusion that then it must be the CURRENT Bible that is false and untrue especially since Muhammad instructed his followers to respect the Bible in the first place.

Therefore, the present text must have been falsified by the Christians and the Jews after the time of Muhammad. His conclusions and arguments are not based on any historical facts but entirely upon his unshakable faith in the truthfulness and divine origin of the Qur'an.

Many other exegetes, did not accept or agree with his conclusions among whom are many of the luminaries of 'Islam' such as:

1. Ali al Tabari (d 855) who accepted the Gospel texts
2. Al Bukhari (810-870)
3. Al Mas'udi (956)
4. Abu Ali husain bin Sina (1037)
5. Al Ghazali (1111) who did not accept his teachings
6. Ibn Khaldun (1406) ditto.

In reality it is not up to the People of the Book to prove their Book is uncorrupted but up to the Muhammadans to do so based on any 'original' book that would show these corruptions. The interpreters of the Quran repeatedly denigrate and accuse both the Jews and Christians of having tampered with and or 'corrupted' their Holy Books to suit their - with as yet unexplained and unidentified - nefarious purposes. These evil, mendacious and unsubstantiated accusations were in fact introduced to cover up the incredibly huge number of unexplained and irreconcilable differences in both the Quran and its interpretations with the same events as described in their original versions in the Bible and Scriptures.

Hence, with an extremely simple and general sentence they, the followers of Muhammad, attempt to dismiss and gloss over all these discrepancies as items that have been deliberately - and presumably with diabolical pre meditation- modified by the Jews and Christians to deprive Muhammad and his followers of their 'rightful' place among the Divinely revealed scriptures.

Unfortunately for the accusers of the Bible, it can be easily demonstrated that in all its relevant verses, the Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of Allah and demands faith in it such as can be shown in the following Suras which presuppose the availability of the true revelation of Allah to the Arabs at the time of Muhammad:

2:40/1,129,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47/51,69,70; 5:44; 6:91/2; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45/51; 35:31/2; 46:12.

CONCLUSION

First every Christian should understand that followers of Muhammad are not in way going to enter into the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ as in the Bible; they will enter into the kingdom of Muhammad and what is written in the Quran. A fantasy land overflowing with fruits, food and virgin women. This is not my saying; its in the Quran. The paradise in Quran is a place that is described in the Quran thus;

MUHAMMAD'S PARADISE IN QURAN
QURAN 55 Hilali Khan
055:068 In them (both) will be fruits, and date- palms and pomegranates.
055:069 Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
055:070 Therein (gardens) will be fair (wives) good and beautiful;
055:071 Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
055:072 Houris (beautiful, fair females) restrained in pavilions;
055:073 Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
055:074 Whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them.
055:075 Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
055:076 Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses.
055:077 Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
055:078 Blessed be the Name of your Lord (Allah), the Owner of Majesty and Honour.

What ever said and done every follower of Muhammad strives to get into the paradise as assured in the Quran. The kingdom of God in the Bible is completely different from the paradise of Quran. I need to seek forgiveness from God for publishing such vile and vulgar narrations of Paradise. My heart burns and yearns for the truth; for some man has described god as a creator and supplier this filth. Why cant you decide? why cant you see the vileness and corruption of the very nature of God? God is not so cheap creating harems for his followers

BIBLICAL KINGDOM OF GOD [Refuting Lust in Heaven]
Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

God must have a good reason for keeping us Christians wondering about the mysteries of heaven. Perhaps our finite minds could never comprehend the realities of eternity. Yet the Bible does reveal several truths about the afterlife.

Psalm 23:6
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

So the debaters are wooed into this scripture and the Quran has given a responsibility to their God in providing them these carnal and absolutely earthly lust filled, belly filled paradise.

WHAT IS IN FOR THE DEBATERS
You need a basic qualification to debate; you cannot debate and pitch the Word of God against the Word of Man claiming it to be the revelation of God when all the revelations therein were nothing new but pre-existing. Replications over Perspiration cannot be Revelations of Inspiration. The only new things in the book in contention is the pagan rituals of the moon God, the inclusion of the pagan ritual of circling the kaaba and many such. The word of God should never be compared or placed with such text. Quoting the scriptures...

"strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers" (II Timothy 2:14)
"But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker..." (II Timothy 2:16-17) "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes." (II Timothy 2:23)
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." (Proverbs 26:4-5)

These debaters need to understand that Christians who are saved and baptized in water and fire have a Kingdom of God beyond all carnal pleasures and go to serve the Lord God. Not "de-flower" women [as in the Quran]. God is never cheap. In fact the Satan in the Bible is the God in the Quran [REFER ARTICLE].

I sincerely hope and pray that these thoughts that seed into your cranium will someday help you understand the truth. take Archaeology, History, Science and all reality with logic, the Bible and the word of God stand out. Quran certainly does not come into the fold of the revelations of the God of Abraham. There is nothing to debate; they follow a different God and we follow the one Almighty God; the mighty one of Israel and who is manifest in word, flesh and in Spirit. Hallelujah for the one God Almighty be the Glory and Amen; his will be done on earth.